Tazored to death

[jdanton]

I agree we need cops. I also know that a few "bad" cops give the entire breed a bad name.

Omg, a voice of reason. (No sarcasam, just shock JD.) I haven't said much to Jowey in this thread because it was argued to death on HBO Bill Maher Real Time, but the complaining party used a different NN.

I will say this much: not all cops are bad, and it is unfair to lump good cops in with the bad. I've worked with some damned fine officers that wouldn't hesitate to nail a co-worker that did what Jowey is describing. My previous agency would drop an IA on you for not breathing according to GOs. (General Orders..aka rules). We we state accredited, and that isn't easy to attain.

Ever notice that the people usually describing some nefarious event with law enforcement are always tough guys who "show them how it is"? Sh'yah.

[jdanton]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Omg, a voice of reason. (No sarcasam, just shock JD.) I haven't said much to Jowey in this thread because it was argued to death on HBO Bill Maher Real Time, but the complaining party used a different NN.

I will say this much: not all cops are bad, and it is unfair to lump good cops in with the bad. I've worked with some damned fine officers that wouldn't hesitate to nail a co-worker that did what Jowey is describing. My previous agency would drop an IA on you for not breathing according to GOs. (General Orders..aka rules). We we state accredited, and that isn't easy to attain.

Ever notice that the people usually describing some nefarious event with law enforcement are always tough guys who "show them how it is"? Sh'yah.

I've had few personal incidents with law enforcement. Plus, I've known a few police officers personally. Most do their job with great effort to be fair with everyone. Many, however, don't.

I got stopped on Route 3 very late one night on my way home from a union meeting an hour away. I started work that morning at 2 AM.

The officer said I was either tired or drunk. I gave him the tired. Seeing that I was only about three miles from home, he just had me get out of the car to wake up a bit. Then sent me off without a ticket.

My friend was driving one winter night, hit a patch of ice, and slid into a tree. He totalled his car.

The cop who arrived on the scene gave him a ticket.

Now the cop was within his rights to give him a ticket, but no one was injured, my friend had lost his new jeep, and the ticket just seemed, to me, to be overkill.

My view, which I'm sure is not shared by all, is that tickets serve a couple of purposes. They are a consequence to an illegal action that had no consequences of it's own, like running a red light, but not causing an accident. In the event your illegal action does cause an accident, giving you a ticket may help in the "who's at fault" debate later.

If, however, your illegal, act, causes damage only to yourself and/or your vehicle, it seems you've suffered consequence enough.

To bring this back to the thread topic of tazers, if you arm all cops with tazers, you know damned well some will abuse them, and those abuses can be fatal.

Cops, like drivers, develop records. I'm 62, and I have NOTHING on my license. Others have tickets/accidents on their records.

I don't think giving these possibly lethal weapons to all cops is a good thing. To those cops who you can be reasonably sure won't abuse them, yes: to the others, no.

And, a question I might ask here: when does excessive use of the tazer move into "torture"?

Originally Posted by gonzo

Omg, a voice of reason. (No sarcasam, just shock JD.) I haven't said much to Jowey in this thread because it was argued to death on HBO Bill Maher Real Time, but the complaining party used a different NN.

I will say this much: not all cops are bad, and it is unfair to lump good cops in with the bad. I've worked with some damned fine officers that wouldn't hesitate to nail a co-worker that did what Jowey is describing. My previous agency would drop an IA on you for not breathing according to GOs. (General Orders..aka rules). We we state accredited, and that isn't easy to attain.

Ever notice that the people usually describing some nefarious event with law enforcement are always tough guys who "show them how it is"? Sh'yah.

I agree that not all of any population are bad, I assume that some in the Gestapo were "not bad", most were trapped by circumstance in a corrupt system - they did what was necessary to survive. Of course in such an environment who would be considered "bad" ?

When an attorney defending me, tells me that evidence, witnesses and that law enforcement lies all the time. A judge going on a rant about a deal a prosecutor made, without hearing the case. Implies Kangaroo courts - or - bad attorney.

When the Virginia State Bar responds that they no longer address "strategy" grievances they identified that they have no idea of how many of its members just processed their clients. There is no incentive for these "members" to diligently represent their clients. I noted the change in policy when another attorney deserted my girlfriend in 2000, apparently absconding with clients settlements.

Any organization is a reflection of its leadership. When communications about such incidents as I/we have experienced and attempted to communicate are dismissed (Police Chief, Mayor, Press, Governor Tim Kaine) they have no idea of how many in a population are "bad", of course "lying", "deceit", "avoidance" and "abuse" may be considered "good" traits, after all "torture" is considered "good".

As for "tough guys", maybe I am, ex-Marine, still serving in some capacity, when an "official" cannot identify the reason for their approach, demands that I relinquish my Id, resulting in a circular conversation from:

me: Hi
cop: give me your id
me: why ?
cop: because I said so,
me: why I have been in this store for over an hour, what is going on ?
cop: if you give me your id I will tell you.
me: okay, hey where are you going, give me back my id....
cop to someone: hey this guy knows the law....
me: what the f#@# is going on, seeing my girlfriend who was nearly comatose from reactions to medication.

After they zapped me with their taser toy and I just stood there, asking them if they were finished - maybe I scared them, this is the mettle of those that is supposed to protect me ?

I wanted that video, tried without evidence, based on hearsay from some "upset" cop and his buddies who participated in the assault, did not listen to me as I tried to communicate that my girlfriend was in a middle of a severe reaction to medication and had just came from the hospital where they prescribed a solution which we were getting. The pharmacist alleged that my girlfriend changed the prescription, we did not see this modified document, the ER doctor was not aware of any problem when they talked to the pharmacist. While I was incarcerated, after hitchhiking ten miles home, without medication, my girlfriend had a total meltdown, a friend found her in her room where he called the ambulance.

We can also discuss the times when were were being stalked and my girlfriend assaulted trying to communicate to some cop that I did not do it. I have never hit anyone, in my life, even avoided it in the Corps. I did throw some stupid jock football players against the wall once when they tried to pick on me. Girlfriend was abused for seventeen years so she shows the traits. The cops that morning in the CVS were trying to get her to say that I abused her.

Regardless of whether I am a "tough guy" or not, the point is that they are avoiding their duty, it was not just one, they all participated in the assault. I say that there was evidence that was actively avoided which would support my claims. The "leaders" themselves are practicing avoidance so that they have no knowledge of who is "good" or who is "bad" - but then "torture" is now "good" ?

So just what is a "good" cop in modern America ?